tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2988867772159846833.post1420563283700454642..comments2023-03-23T09:55:07.851+07:00Comments on PROUDLY WE SERVE STAND AND FIGHT..: Post-Modern Navy Dalam Konteks IndonesiaDamn The Torpedoes!!!http://www.blogger.com/profile/11724970310623524471noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2988867772159846833.post-56734700629024948332009-01-06T14:05:00.000+07:002009-01-06T14:05:00.000+07:00Thank u for your comment. I better not to give opi...Thank u for your comment. I better not to give opinion on your comment despite such issue is very interesting one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2988867772159846833.post-66705210330826719602009-01-06T10:55:00.000+07:002009-01-06T10:55:00.000+07:00Allhands,Sorry for posting off-topic remarks here,...Allhands,<BR/><BR/>Sorry for posting off-topic remarks here, regarding the plan to buy new submarines, either from Chang Bogo class (209/1200) or Kilo. IMO, both are not the ideal platform for AL at this time. The Koreans presumably no longer wish to operate Type 209 (in future) as they now looking to streamline their future fleet with Type 214. Buying 2nd-hand, despite the attractive offer, must not blind us to the question of future capacity & worthiness. The keyword for submarine ops is 'Quality' and not quantity, due to the nature of its operation. Enough said.<BR/><BR/>As for Kilo, questions should be asked:<BR/>- which type of Kilo will be procured? The more capable, or the less capable? Will it be equipped with state-of-the-art package, as more capable will be procured/operated by regional navies in the future?<BR/>- Russia's state credit; it will be interesting to see how the tri-services jostle to get their share from the same pie, so to speak. Will it be enough? Being Russians doesn't mean it will come cheap, and so do submarine. Especially if you would like the whole package. <BR/>- in-country support, as the country will need to start the whole infrastructure from the scratch again. Operating Whiskey-class subs back in the 60s doesn't constitute to having 'sufficient'/in-depth knowledge of Russian system. The billion-dollar credit line, I assume, will not be 'cheap' either...<BR/><BR/>There are other doubts (for me) in Kilo's selection, I shall not discuss further. Though I do think, in the worst-case scenario, Kilo is much better than the Korean's offer.<BR/><BR/>IMHO, the main problem here is with the political apparatus - do they have courage & willingness to seriously implement this program? Operating a submarine is not cheap, and buying cheap doesn't always translate to low cost of operations. Will the Government be ready to bear the costs, for so many years? Without a concrete answer to this, AL will continue to be burdened with operating poor, sub-standard platform for its mammoth task. No disrespect, but the acutely small defense budget allocated every year could be a hindrance to AL to continously & consistently operate a good submarine fleet (in respectable number), the ever-pressing needs to replace old ships and introduce new capabilities to the armada, the geostrategical challenges of the future - a strong, drastic approach is needed to tackle it.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully AL will have all the sufficient data, not just given by the seller, and also have a free hand (with a strong, committed support from Govmnt) in deciding its choice. The intrinsic value of a submarine is so overwhelming, especially for an archipelagic state like Indonesia; forget not.<BR/><BR/>p/s : My choice would go to the AIP-equipped Type 214 / 209-1400 from the Germans. Expensive, yes, but very capable, very logical choice. And apology for the long comments.<BR/><BR/>M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com